Trying yatvyazhskogo discussions regarding problems in principle once was doomed to failure, since we use is really different "scientific" language. Historians and arheolgai will say one thing, and you're advanced led on the other. I do not want to appeal to the stupid snobbery and their professional specificity, but without knowledge advanced led of the main trends in the theory of identity and ethnicity, especially with regard to archeology, any conversation turns into a dialogue with the deaf-blind. Annoyingly, unpleasant, so talk to a completely indifferent and very nice people, but how can I prove that there is just a different advanced led language to describe the story? ...
You know, I understand what you're saying, and I understand that others have written on this subject, but I do not accept this methodology. The fact that it is too reminiscent of philosophy - a lot of difficult words, and the meaning becomes clearer. Incidentally, there is a strong information, I would even say, the facts, not the views of scientists who deny all the efforts of the same Sedov. Besides, on the Sedov life does not end. So fucking advanced led 80s. his work - boom vklik. But now - no. So you can not look at the process from a single point. It is necessary to combine all available sources. And do not throw away those that are contrary to their own thoughts, advanced led so how do you manage the regrowth of facts under gipotyzu. Regarding Yatvingians, data archeology unambiguous. Although they can not show how people use language, but kind of show ethnicity, at least at the level of contrasts, "impersonal". Type, on the territory of the province with Suvalkai 5. lived ethnicity "Y" who lived on the territory of Neman. The area of this ethnic group "Y" in 10-13. the territory coincides with the area of Suwalki chronicles Yatvingians. In this case, burial grounds, which can be attributed to the ethnic group "Y" advanced led with the end of the 11th - 16th centuries. found on the territory of Neman. And then draw conclusions.
I did once and talked about methodology. and that the identity of the direct expansion archaeological culture N expansion ethnic M at least in Western science is no longer axiomatic. advanced led Neman and about, for me is the greatest mystery is that in the early and late Iron Age, much of it is simple archaeological white spot.
First I see no reason why you can not identify the culture that coincides with its borders chronicle Yatvingians, identified with Yatvingians. Second So, there is a white spot. Even when you read or Gurevich advanced led Mitrofanov, then involuntarily advanced led pay attention to the fragmentary data on the Neman and the desire to attract this chapter vskhodnelitovtsav with Pavillya.
First and how to deal with stone mounds and stone graves far beyond this habitat? for me it's more regional funeral tradition that originated in the can and zapadnobaltskom environment, but has expanded to a much larger space. Second Well, if there is no data, then how can you deny / argue that Western Balts there appeared only in the early Middle Ages? Waternames linguists always more significant for long toponymy character zapadnobaltskom hydronymy in Neman indicates that it originated at least the Iron Age.
First There will be time - I'll write about the differences panyamonskoy stone mounds and zhalnikov. because Kvetkovskaya namyashala all in one pile. Second That's the fact of the matter is that NO them. And it suggests. advanced led Frankly, uskhodnelitovtsy advanced led 1000% more consistent with the term autochthonous than Yatvagi. advanced led Because in him there is no dispute.
First ie you deny continuity between the stone mounds, and stone tombs zhalnichnaga type? Second is not a fact, given that is considered by many researchers, education uskhodnelitovtsav occurred as a result of the first wave zapadnobaltskom influence. then was only their autochthonous shtryhavikovy substrate.
1.Chakay. Second Yeah, but uskhodnelitovtsy 4 to 14 cc. lived in the same territory and without incident ;) If you say so, then here shtryhaviki aliens. Yes, and people in general. Maybe bears or who was there, and there are autochthonous.
My main idea is that zahodlnyabaltskaya (at least in the language sense) society was Poneman still in the Iron Age (although there archeology white spot), and stone barrows - burial tradition that originated advanced led in 4-5 tbsp. in north-eastern Poland and southeastern Lithuania zvyazanvya certain mythological ideas, but the question about the nature of its expansion - real migration or expansion is the tradition itself without significant population migrations remains open.
Well, not quite))) but it is a question of identity, ethnicity and perceptions ethnonyms advanced led ...
Again lots of difficult words without much smyslavoy load. Let's get together next week in a certain number of motivated and experienced individuals in the cafe and discuss advanced led contentious issues relating to the same Yatvingians. Better - in the afternoon. As you look at this?
think about it, who could be more inviting, for example, Mr. Cyril, then, and tell the time accurately. advanced led
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